Cast in Chaos has hit the streets

Cast in Chaos is now available for order at (some) on-line bookstores; it’s also made its way into at least one Borders. This probably means it will arrive in the bookstores that will carry it very soon.

The release or publication date was 1st August 2010, but that date is the date at which the book should be available in all of the various stores that are going to sell it (i.e. that preordered it). It has to ship before then in order to achieve this, and the result is that many places will have the book available before its projected date. Amazon and B&N used to have to wait to ship, but for the last two books (Silence and Chaos), it’s shipped earlier.

The funny thing about the book is that while it’s undeniably the latest or newest in the series, in my internal universe, the ‘most recent’ is the almost finished Cast in Ruin. If, for some reason, I’m discussing the latest novel and I say something that makes no sense in relation to Cast in Chaos, this is why. I once took a chapter of a Cast book for a reading–and only when I arrived a the convention did I realize that it was the wrong first chapter; it was two books ahead, instead of one, because the book I’d finished hadn’t yet been published.

I’ll be leaving early Friday morning to head to Confluence in Pittsburgh, so hopefully I’ll see some of you there!

110 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. drey
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 20:15:07

    Congratulations!!! :) I will definitely be picking this one up to add to my library!!

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  2. Ann K
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 20:32:13

    Woo! Can’t wait to read it!

    I very much hope they have it at the dealers room at Confluence… will you be reading there again?

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  3. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 20:42:26

    I will be reading there again, yes :).

    I hope they have it — I know this cuts close to release date, and I know that sometimes the books don’t arrive before they have to pack up and drive to the convention.

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  4. Jennifer Brinn
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 20:50:26

    Ack! The Kindle edition isn’t available until August 1st!!! Ten more days! At least Aug 1 is a Sunday, so I can read all day.

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  5. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 21:57:27

    I’m sorry >.<. I'm not sure how publishers get around that. The publication date for a novel — in the cast of Chaos 1st August 2010 — is meant to be the date at which every store that ordered the book now has it for sale. In reality, because of the shipping requirements (i.e. if you want them in all stores by 1st August, you don’t start shipping on 30th July or they’ll be late), the books will arrive in some stores sooner than others (people closer to UPS distribution centres will get them earlier, for instance), and in theory the books are put out on the shelves on the sell-by date.

    In practice, this is only enforced for Harry Potter, which means that books start to appear as soon as the boxes are signed for an opened. It does mean that stores will have the book by the pub date, though.

    But there’s no shipping to get past with ebooks.

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  6. Yve
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 22:28:03

    I’m sooooooo excited to read this! I’ve been literally counting down the days till August 1st! Too bad I can’t read it now because it’s not on the site I shop for eBooks yet. Do you know which sites have it already to read?

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  7. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 20, 2010 @ 22:50:06

    I don’t think any ebook sites will have it for sale until the 1st of August, because if any one site has it earlier, it wouldn’t be fair to the others.

    Having the book for sale first is arguably just as unfair to the ebook readers — but as I mentioned above, the on-sale date was designed to allow for padding in getting the books from warehouses into trucks and to the bookstores.

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  8. DG
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 03:58:33

    Wootsauce! The wait is over! I know I’ll finish the book in one sitting, then be forced to wait more. Oh well, it’s so worth it.

    P.S. The new website “skin” looks nice. You should keep this one.

    P.P.S. YAY! Go Team Nightshade! :P

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  9. Michelle Jager
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 19:48:51

    I have the book on hold at Barnes and Noble, it arrived today and I can’t wait to grab it! You’re such a wonderful author, I am psyched to have another installment! Kaylin rocks!

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  10. Jennifer Brinn
    Jul 21, 2010 @ 19:54:58

    Oh, I know *why* I have to wait, and wasn’t expecting any different. Just I got so excited and I have the patience of a squirrel. This is what I get for drinking the Kindle-flavored Kool-Aid. :)

    I did pre-order it, so I can wake up to having it delivered. And I went ahead and grabbed the bundle of the 1st 3 books, since I’m converting a lot of my stuff to electronic (tiny little apartment. No space :( ).

    I just have to say again how much I have enjoyed the series. I’ve always really loved how you built a very interesting culture mesh of the various races, and how you manage to build on it each time.

    These books are Eat My Life books, meaning I can barely do anything other than read them until I’m done.

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  11. jessica
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 03:31:51

    is it possible to release a summary on the website before the release date?

    i can’t believe someone actually went their with the team nightshade thing lol i am voting for nightshade though

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  12. MaryW
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 04:45:53

    Thank you for letting us know. Your books are definitely worth getting as soon as they are available. It has been one of those days but this news has improved it about 1, 000%.

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  13. Sam
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 13:01:00

    I’m sooooo glad this book is coming out ^_^
    I really like all your books but to be honest this series is just a favorite of mine!!! I hope we’ll have many many more!

    And on a side note (but still on Elantra!), this comment on the home page was also very very cool:
    “On the Elantra front, I’m pretty sure Cast in Ruin is in the home stretch. I’m also pretty sure that Kaylin will be going to the West March sometime very soon, but not in Ruin.”

    I loved meeting the Lord of the Western March in ‘Cast in Courtlight’ and I’ve always hoped we would see more of him, THANK YOU!!!!
    The Barrani are a really fun group to read about :)

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  14. Kandice
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 14:41:39

    Received my copy two days ago….:)

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  15. Mary
    Jul 22, 2010 @ 18:35:59

    I received my copy yesterday … stayed up late and finished this afternoon. Darn it, I don’t WANT to wait until next year for the next one! This was the best yet – I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it, and I really like how Kaylin is growing and maturing. It’s important to me to like the characters, and I do like her very much.
    Thanks for another great read, but man, I wish you could be like Barbara Cartland … didn’t she write something like a book a month or something? Wouldn’t THAT be something … to get a monthly “fix”, rather than yearly!

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  16. Melissa
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 14:52:36

    On my way right now to pick this book up and spend the next two days devouring the pages!

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  17. Tammy
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 15:57:21

    I can not wait for this new book. I got all the other books over the past year, and inhaled them. I re-read them a month ago and loved them as much as I originally did. I have recommended them to my daughter’s friends.

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  18. Elizabeth
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 19:08:49

    I got my copy a few days ago. Been reading and re-reading it since. Totally awesome. Now need to reread the previous books. Just one confusion. I thought Kaylin couldn’t talk about the Barrani waters of life with anyone, but didn’t she do just that to an audience towards the end?

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  19. Jennifer Brinn
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 19:10:24

    Jeez, spoilers!

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  20. Maria
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 19:40:55

    Soo… I totally read it in one sitting, and it was grand. I can’t wait until October, even though it is only a little novella. It will be grand. I know it.

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  21. Genna Warner
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 20:43:23

    I loved this book. It is really hard to wait an entire year for the next book. I forsee myself re-reading all the books at least a couple of times this year. I’m obsessed with the whole universe and the wait is driving me nuts. :)

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  22. Julie
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 20:54:44

    My copy of Cast in Chaos is coming next week, and I can’t wait to read it!…I also can’t wait for House Name!

    I love your books, and I have every single one – thank you for the absolutely wonderful stories!

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  23. Kel
    Jul 23, 2010 @ 23:21:59

    My pre-ordered copy arrived in the mail yesterday, but sadly I’d scheduled the evening for studying… so I didn’t manage to finish it until this evening. It’s truly wonderful… now I need to go back and re-read the whole series (to date) in order.

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  24. Cassandra Chan
    Jul 24, 2010 @ 05:26:57

    Cast in Chaos actually arrived at my Borders in the 7/20 laydown boxes. Have no idea what that’s about if everybody else thought it was 8/1. But there it is.

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  25. Kimberly R.
    Jul 24, 2010 @ 15:21:00

    I got it from my local Barnes & Noble yesterday (and yes, I have finished it already!) So its out there, ready to be bought!

    I loved it! But I still have so many many many questions that I want answered. I’m sure you won’t answer them except as a “Wait and see” kinda thing but some of the loose ends are driving me batty! I don’t suppose you could drop everything and finish writing the series so I can know what happens, huh? Thought not. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you I loved Cast in Chaos and I’m not sure how I will be able to wait a year for the next one.

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  26. Peg T.
    Jul 24, 2010 @ 18:53:53

    I have also finished Cast In Chaos and loved it. Many, many questions. Another year to wait? Good Grief!

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  27. MaryW
    Jul 24, 2010 @ 19:56:29

    Once again, thank you. I just finished and would like the next book yesterday. It is a kind of torture to read a series as it is written. It is also the pleasure found in visiting with friends and family.

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  28. hjbau
    Jul 25, 2010 @ 07:48:33

    Forgive me, but please don’t stop writing everything else to finish the Cast books, not that i don’t enjoy them. I haven’t gone hunting for a copy yet because i have been out of town. I will do that tomorrow.

    I am excited for the new book.

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  29. Amanda
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 02:16:50

    I’ll join the others on the “Loved it!” bench. I spent yesterday sitting on my couch with windows open and sunlight pouring in, cherishing every second as the incredible story unfolded. Thank you for creating this fantastic world and sharing it with all of us!

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  30. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 03:33:17

    Forgive me, but please don’t stop writing everything else to finish the Cast books, not that i don’t enjoy them. I haven’t gone hunting for a copy yet because i have been out of town. I will do that tomorrow.

    I promise I will not stop writing everything else to finish Cast books. I love them and they’re fun — but I’m beyond happy to be deep into Skirmish now, because the universe is once again (comparatively) wide open and things are happening in ways that totally surprise me.

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  31. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 03:36:00

    Cast in Chaos actually arrived at my Borders in the 7/20 laydown boxes. Have no idea what that’s about if everybody else thought it was 8/1. But there it is.

    I know they solicited orders for an on-sale date of 1st August 2010, but they may have pushed that back. Or rather, they must have pushed it back. I’m just happy that it’s available :).

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  32. hjbau
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 06:28:01

    I was successful in finding a copy of Cast in Chaos. I only had to go to two bookstores and bother one manager though he didn’t seem to mind. I also saw a copy of Hidden City and City of Night in the wild which was sort of exciting for me because i usually have more trouble finding the West books then i do finding the Cast books.

    I am glad to hear Skirmish is going well and that it is totally surprising which interestingly enough does not surprise me.

    And now i will sit down and read Cast in Chaos though my jet lag is not improving my retention and concentration skills at the moment.

    PS. I like the new look for the site. Looks great.

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  33. Maria Murphy
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 15:02:56

    I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the Cast series. I’m looking forward to Chaos and hopefully it will be available on Amazon UK soon! I personally enjoy the wait for each new book. I think it adds to the excitement and suspense! Thank you for a wonderful series of books, Ms Sagara!

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  34. TheF
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 16:30:28

    I have ordered it off of Book Depository and am beyond excited! Feels like my birthday has come early (when it’s actually next week, at the beginning of August ;) much like the release date).

    Thank you for the books. This is my favourite series of yours (as much as I love all of your other works). So yeah, thank you. Many many positive thoughts sent your way on your writing/creativity.

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  35. Angel
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 19:22:02

    I’m really happy this series is still going with the next book in production. I adore both the Cast and the House War series, I will definitely keep buying basically everything you write :)

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  36. Kim
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 23:15:18

    Dear Michelle Sagara,

    Amazon shipped my book early! I got it just the night before yesterday, and finished it yesterday afternoon. I love all of your cast books, but I honestly think this one is my favorite. I’m not sure–I do not usually judge books beyond loving them. I just wanted to write to tell you that I loved it… but now that I think of it, I have a question.
    Was using Cast in ______ for every book your idea? How did you think of it?
    I also enjoy the new look of your website.
    I am now going to go re-read your Cast books–I would re-read Cast in Chaos right away, but my sister is going to read it first.
    Thank you for writing these books!
    Have a fantastic day! (I hope you get to relax)
    : )

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  37. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 26, 2010 @ 23:45:05

    I have a question.
    Was using Cast in ______ for every book your idea? How did you think of it?

    It wasn’t deliberate on my part, and if I’d been thinking, I would probably have avoided it; it pretty much got set in stone when I titled the second book Cast in Courtlight. But I liked the sound of the title.

    And since the second book was a ‘Cast’ book, all of the subsequent ones have had to have Cast titles — and I live in terror of running out of words I can use… (the terror is the only reason I sometimes wish I’d done things differently, btw — I don’t hate the titles themselves, but what if I have more books than titles?)

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    • Hilda Rodriguez
      Oct 08, 2010 @ 00:21:20

      Please keep on writing the books, giving us incredible joy and pleasure, and let us help with the titles. You will never run out of them: Cast in Joy, Cast in Magic, Cast in Sorcery, Cast in Ravellon, Cast in Regalia, Cast in Dragon, Cast in Blood, Cast in Fire, cast in Water, Cast in Air, Cast in Sorrow, etc., etc., etc. I’m only sorry that I discovered you a year ago, the books seem to come only annually, and you have the need to make them shorter than you originally plan. Your fans want them longer and often. So do I.

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  38. MaryW
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 03:52:40

    “And since the second book was a ‘Cast’ book, all of the subsequent ones have had to have Cast titles — and I live in terror of running out of words I can use… (the terror is the only reason I sometimes wish I’d done things differently, btw — I don’t hate the titles themselves, but what if I have more books than titles?)”

    I am sure that you can invent a word or borrow one from some other language.

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  39. Aaron
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 06:01:06

    I vote for Cast in Caramel.

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  40. natasha
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 06:40:04

    hahaha cast in caramel, to funny!

    i’m at my dads and im waiting desperately for when i fly back to my moms to read the book, its got there almost a week ago. 8(

    but i love your books so much and i cant wait to get my hands on it. 8)

    oh i cant wait only 4 more days!!!

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  41. Michelle Sagara
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 06:59:19

    I vote for Cast in Caramel.

    The Australian husband of one of my readers (who’s also Australian — he was working in Toronto, and came to see if I might be at the store on behalf of his wife), suggested “Cast in Concrete”.

    I laughed.

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  42. Beanz
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 08:13:54

    Just got an email that the book has been delivered is waiting for me at home. Unfortunately I am languishing here at my customer’s site and don’t know how to concentrate on work for the next three days as I will only get back home on Thursday.
    Can’t wait. And now you already have me jonesing for Cast in Ruin…

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  43. Candilicious
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 10:22:26

    yay im so excited its release…i just ordered it off amazon cause they are so hard to get where i live in Australia…the first chapter has me enthralled already

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  44. Kim
    Jul 27, 2010 @ 18:58:09

    I just thought of another question, for when and if you have the time.

    What does clear or light blue signify for the eyes of the Barrani? Is it less dangerous than normal blue or dark blue?

    Thanks!
    : )

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  45. Michael
    Jul 28, 2010 @ 13:02:13

    Finished it in one ten-hour sitting. Of course this means I’ll end up going to bed about eleven hours hours later than I normally do, but it was *totally* worth it!

    Thanks for a great night!

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  46. Suzy
    Jul 31, 2010 @ 04:37:34

    I’m almost done with it! I am really glad it came out early since I get to read it before my wedding now rather than shortly after. My fiance wasn’t too excited that I was planning on reading it during our honeymoon. lol

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  47. Bruce
    Jul 31, 2010 @ 16:44:31

    I asked the library to order it months ago, so I got first reservation. Presumably after the acquisitions person read it. I’m currently 2/3 through. Best one yet! Looking forward to the next one.

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  48. Yve
    Aug 01, 2010 @ 03:59:57

    August 1! Yay! Now I might be able to buy Cast in Chaos as an eBook! Everyone who’s talked to me in the past month will be relieved when I stop talking about this book every single moment of every single day!

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  49. Julia
    Aug 02, 2010 @ 23:13:21

    Dear Michelle Sagara:
    Knowing this book was coming out yesterday, I spent the last month re-reading the series. It is by far my favorite of all the series that I read. This one had me hooked that I stayed up reading all night long. I love and hate that you are such an amazing author. Love it, because I get so wrapped up in the story that I don’t ever want to see it end. Hate it, because I have to wait a year to know what happens next. I would love to post all my favorite parts … however it would go on too long, and I would hate to spoil it for other readers. Suffice it to say, I am on pins and needles to see how this book changes Kaylin’s perception and her relationships.
    You always know something is extremely well written when you find yourself constantly re-reading the books again and again.

    Thank you. I love reading about Kaylin’s adventures. Each of the books is amazing … this one gave so much insight into the world, I will be speculating about what we will learn next.

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  50. TheF
    Aug 03, 2010 @ 00:02:49

    Got my book and promptly read it in one gulp, even as I tried to slow down. It was awesome. Once again, thank you for creating such an involving world. It is magnificent, one that I would love to be a fly on the wall for. Especially when Kaylin opens her mouth, heh.

    I cannot wait for Ruin.

    Thankkkkk you!

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  51. Anita
    Aug 03, 2010 @ 10:00:09

    An exciting adventure that I left me wanting more. Many questions and things left untold in this story, have me anxiously awaiting the next book . You have truly written an amazing series filled with mysteries and end of the world action.
    I love Kaylin. She has the power to be and do anything, but she lives her life caring for others. Of course with the dragons surrounding her, she must behave…right?
    All in all, I was just checking for the release date of the next book and hoping the wait will not be too long. Thank You for writing another wonderful book!

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  52. Lee Ann
    Aug 03, 2010 @ 15:30:36

    I loved it. It arrived on my Kindle on Sunday and I read it by Sunday night. I cannot wait for the next story.

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  53. Brenda
    Aug 04, 2010 @ 00:17:18

    Loved it. All of the Elantra books find an instant home on my comfort shelf!These books are such a treat, with the only drawback being that I binge on them. I read Cast in Chaos all day long (instead of working as I should have) – and now I find myself desperately wishing for Cast in Ruin! Also, I rarely cry when reading books or watching movies, but Severn’s litany of reasons had me misty-eyed and reaching for the tissue.

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  54. lacretia
    Aug 04, 2010 @ 00:49:42

    i love cast books i love how she grown up threw the six books.cant wait tell the next one.i just hope her classes go well.

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  55. Michelle Sagara
    Aug 04, 2010 @ 06:26:38

    I just wanted to thank you all for taking the time to come and post here. You can’t know what it means to me (although you can probably guess). I’m always, always nervous about the launch of a new book, and I always fret at the keyboard while trying to concentrate on writing.

    I know there are people who aren’t going to like some of what I’ve done in any given book.

    It really helps to know that there are people who do mostly like the book, even when they like it for different reasons.

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  56. Theresa
    Aug 04, 2010 @ 20:13:57

    I finished it on Monday night and LOVED it. I cannot wait until Cast in Moonlight comes out (then CIRuin).

    More Nightshade please!

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  57. Seema
    Aug 05, 2010 @ 10:48:57

    So, what ever happened to the egg? Was it a dangling subplot by accident or does it make a reappearance in Cast in Ruin?

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  58. Seema
    Aug 05, 2010 @ 10:50:32

    BTW, these are just about my favorite books ever (and given how much I read, this is impressive). I find myself wishing for weeks after I finish a book that I were back in Elantra

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  59. natasha
    Aug 06, 2010 @ 15:23:54

    just to be sure cast in moonlight is for this series right?

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  60. DG
    Aug 06, 2010 @ 18:34:12

    Yep, Cast in Moonlight is for the Elantra series. :)

    Of course, I finished Cast in Chaos in one sitting (like I knew I would). Can’t wait for Cast in Ruin. I love this series! I truly do! Going to check out the Books of the Sundered series next.

    P.S. More Nightshade…MOAR!! I’m not putting in spoilers here (cuz I hate that), but…Boo to Severn! Booo!! I say! :P For once I’d like the bad guy to get the girl, lol.

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  61. Elizabeth
    Aug 07, 2010 @ 00:15:32

    Just to follow up on my earlier comment, I finished reading Cast in Chaos in trade paperback, and re-read the earlier books on my Sony eReader. Love these books. Much more interesting to read the first books with the later context. Thanks Michelle!

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  62. WWL
    Aug 07, 2010 @ 06:33:39

    Waiting eagerly for this book to reach SEA.

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  63. Robin
    Aug 09, 2010 @ 16:55:46

    I am still waiting for it to appear on Amazon UK :(. How to keep a turkey in suspense!

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  64. Jennifer Brinn
    Aug 09, 2010 @ 17:12:58

    Fabulous! Finished reading it this weekend. Loved it!

    Just a couple of notes without spoilers:
    1. I didn’t notice this until I started using the Text-To-Speech option so I could keep “reading” while in the car, but there is a *lot* of grimacing going on in the book. (It stood out because the TTS reader pronounced grimace as “grim ace” with ace like a Ace of Spades).

    2. I find the urban fantasy milieu in a non-contemporary world just so refreshingly good.

    3. Despite people spending lots of time explaining things to each other, it never feels like exposition infodumps. Mostly because Kaylin is trying to not get eaten. :)

    4. My favorite part was that I guessed the ending about halfway through the book. This is not unreasonable, as I usually do, though I’m always actually *wrong*. This time, I was right, but only partly, so it was wonderfully inevitable yet surprising. As it should be.

    5. I just love watching Kaylin grow and change throughout the series. As I do for the rest of the characters, but Kaylin’s growth is the sort of bittersweet that is her nature.

    6. The fact that (like the rest of the books) it is her compassion that forms the basis for the internal conflict — I find that so unique. She isn’t inclined to save the world because the world needs saving, she always runs into situations where she saves the world because there are people it in. Because even if she doesn’t know them, she really and truly cares about their lives. And this is what causes her the real conflicts. All the rest of the stuff is just catalyst.

    Good job! Eagerly awaiting the next one.

    Jennifer

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  65. Theresa
    Aug 09, 2010 @ 19:47:09

    Michelle-

    I LOVE this book (and series). I just have one complaint….it seemed to be over to quickly. Not that the story felt rushed but rather, I devoured it. I have read some of your commentary about cutting scenes because the book was TDL….but personally, I’d love them if they were a bit longer then published. I like getting lost in your stories. Also, I end up spending hours (and I mean like 6-8 hours a day on weekends) at the beach while my husband surfs, so I have a lot of leisure hours I could fill with Kaylin & Nightshade and Elantra! More please!

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  66. Seahn
    Aug 10, 2010 @ 11:25:53

    Just finished and can’t wait for cast in ruin. I may of put off other rather important things but Cast In Chaos was calling. Loved it so much especially any section that had Nightshade and Severn, I love both equally so I’m worried about both of there futures (I think when a reader is worried the author has done a great job).
    Definitely one of my favorite series.

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  67. Carol
    Aug 12, 2010 @ 15:49:01

    Loved the book. My favorite part was still the Nightshade scenes, Very creative. I liked both Severn and Nightshade in the first couple books but Nightshade is now my favorite by far. Never enough of him.

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  68. Carol
    Aug 12, 2010 @ 15:54:39

    From Jennifer Brinn

    1. I didn’t notice this until I started using the Text-To-Speech option so I could keep “reading” while in the car, but there is a *lot* of grimacing going on in the book. (It stood out because the TTS reader pronounced grimace as “grim ace” with ace like a Ace of Spades).

    From Carol
    I noticed a lot of grimacing as well as the term “in as much as” “inasmuch”
    But still loved the book.

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  69. tasha
    Aug 13, 2010 @ 22:02:13

    go team nightshade 8)

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  70. Katie
    Aug 15, 2010 @ 06:44:08

    I have a big problem with the Cast In… series. I read the new book all in one sitting and then have to wait a year for the next one!!

    I read Chaos today, then went back and re-read the Nightshade scene several times. (I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who likes Nightshade!) Potential spoiler here, but I must admit to being slightly confused at some of the phrasing – was Kaylin raped in/by Barren?? Maybe I need to re-read Silence again (for the fifth or so time). That could explain why she doesn’t realize that the emotions she picks up from Nightshade could be felt for very different reasons, and she also doesn’t really have much of a sexual awareness, despite being twenty years old. (We never see her make note of the fact of men being particularly handsome, her thoughts about Severn are much more platonic than romantic love, and the only physical desire we’ve seen toward her has been from Nightshade, whose motives are questionable.) I also got confused by the sentence “in the White Towers of Barren after her first – and her only – betrayal of the man who had called the fief his own.” From Silence, it sounded like the only thing that she had done to Barren that would be considered betrayal was not kill the Hawklord and then stay with the Hawks instead of going back to him. But then she could have felt all those emotions “time and again” after going back, because she never did until the events in Silence occurred.

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  71. Carly
    Aug 16, 2010 @ 02:00:05

    Hi Katie Yes I believe Kaylin was raped by Barren.
    When Kaylin successful killed her first person she got was excited to meet Barren for the first time. However instead Morse makes Kaylin take a drink that was drugged or strong drink and made her change into clean clothes. I believe this is when Kaylin is raped by Barren. Were it happened more that once I don’t know. But Morse said that Barren won’t touch Kaylin much now that she had Nightshades mark.

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  72. natasha
    Aug 16, 2010 @ 03:00:34

    im so glade that im not the only one who thought she got raped by barren.

    and Carly
    i never thought of that being the reason why morse had kaylin drink after her first success. its a good theory

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  73. Genna Warner
    Aug 16, 2010 @ 21:25:10

    I guess I will be the only one who doesn’t think Kaylin was phsyically raped by Barren. I have been obsessing over these books for the last few months and have re-read them several times. I cannot find conclusive evidence to support the rape theory. I understand why people are thinking that it happened, I just don’t see it. Maybe Michelle can answer in here and put the debate to rest or will that give too much away?

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  74. CLG
    Aug 16, 2010 @ 21:54:34

    Carly,
    She was supposed to track down and kill the brother of the little girl who was attacked by men visiting from the city. She finds him, but doesn’t kill him. I can’t really remember his name, however, he is killed before he could run. IMO that is the betrayal that Kaylin is referring to.
    I believe she was raped at that time by Barren; as punishment.

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    • Katie
      Sep 11, 2010 @ 18:12:59

      Yes, I had forgotten about that – she let him go because she felt sorry for his sister (why didn’t she heal the sister?), the guy ran, and was ultimately killed in a worse way than if Kaylin had killed him. That was probably the betrayal and makes more sense that she would have been punished for that and “reminded” of that punishment “time and again” while she still lived in Barren. It would also give even more weight to her being pretty much suicidal rather than just homicidal by the time she was sent to kill the Hawklord. Thanks for that reminder!

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  75. CLG
    Aug 16, 2010 @ 21:57:00

    I totally love EVERY book that I have read by Michelle. I have read and reread the sun sword series and now the cast series.

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  76. hanneke28
    Aug 17, 2010 @ 00:21:51

    Can we talk about the book yet? I haven’t seen a notice to wait till 1 september so everyone can finish reading it. If spoilers are unwanted please delete this post.
    I love this series. I love the Hunter’s and Sun Sword books as well, those are a very rich and complex pageant to enjoy at one’s leisure; but it’s the Elantra books which get reread more often.
    @CLG: I think you’re right. She was severely punished after that incident by Barren, and never dared disobey or question his orders again. Rape might well have been a part of that, considering her reactions, as Katie has mentioned, though it hasn’t been explicitly stated. It also explains Severn’s ‘go softly, go slow’ approach: Kaylin clearly isn’t ready for any kind of sexual love, and he doesn’t want to frighten her away or raise her guard against him in that respect. I’ve really got to respect him for the way he tells her (a large part of) what he loves about her, being completely truthful in a way that’s completely acceptable to her, and enough to give her something to hold onto when she’s in bad trouble; without touching on possible hopes and wishes he might have as well, which would at this point have been too sensitive and probably upsetting for her to have to deal with as well as all the rest that was going on.
    He says several significant things earlier in the book, which I think are to this point, about ‘you can have all you want, but not all at the same time’, ‘the trick is wanting what you can have’, and also something about if he wants something she can’t give it’s no good, he’d have to walk away because trying to be what you aren’t because someone else needs that from you will always poison a relationship. On the other hand, he admits sleeping in one bed like when they were kids would be too hard for him now, which in my opinion means he does feel an attraction but is keeping a strong lid on it till Kaylin can accept both her own sexuality ans a more sexual relationship. She seems to have shut off that part of herself, or more likely never allowed it to develop, considering what we know of her past.
    I’d guess he’s upset about Kaylin’s closer contacts with Nightshade for at least two opposing reasons: fear that Nightshade with his possessive passion might scare her, and make her clam up on her sexuality for good (thus losing Severn all chance for the future as well), or alternatively Nightshade might manage to wake up that part of Kaylin that Severn has not yet managed to reach, and maybe take her from him that way. Shaking her up a little, so she leaves the automatic assumption of an a-sexual baseline to her character behind, would be good (hence Severn’s relative equanimity regarding such meetings in earlier books), but too much either way after that could be bad for him.
    He’s walking a fine line here, so I don’t get the anti-Severn posting. Personally, I’m in his camp; I don’t think Nightshade would be good for her unless she ends up immortal because of the marks (I really hope not, she wouldn’t like that!). In that case he might do as a ‘second husband’ sometime after Severn’s demise.

    And here I was intending to post a question about something else entirely: the history of the Tha’alani. Evanton says they came from another world, but the others consistently name only the humans and Aerians when talking about this. Nothing has been mentioned about this during visits to the Tha’alaan, though they haven’t gone looking for it either. They developed a special relationship with the element of water early in their history, and the true elements are mostly tied to this world (the Elemental Garden at the ‘core’ of this world) though other worlds partake of a bit of their (baser) natures as well. They made war on their enemies the griffins, building an empire, and Elantra’s empire is called the empire of Ala’an. That doesn’t sound much like a dragon’s name to me, but it does sound closely related to Tha’alaan. They destroyed all the griffins except their last city by the sea, and I thought that was Elantra. But there are no griffins in Elantra now, unless they are the mysterious 7th race I think I’ve seen mentioned somewhere (and that I think I remember Kaylin referring to as the elusive and shy Angelae, in one of the first books). I keep meaning to make a note of that on rereading, but once I get into the story I forget, so I’m not certain about those details. Does someone else remember this more clearly?
    Did the Tha’alani flee the griffins’ world to step back from the warlike empire they’d become, and end up here (perhaps guided by the Tha’alaan? Then why the similarity of names between them and the empire of Ala’an?

    And another question, about traveling. Would the Lord of the West March have been a good alternative to Nightshade, when Kaylin needed to get out of the nothing (apart from ending up very far from home)? And would that save a lot of time getting from here to there, and back again, as long as she has an anchor in either place?
    And a second question about travelling: now the shadows have overrun at least one other world, and the absolute dangers of the between have been lessened because the Devourer no longer roams there, would the shadows be able to attack from unexpected directions by travelling between worlds to an empty and unprotected piece of land outside the city?

    I’m not worrying about loose ends: Michelle never leaves those just dangling for ever, they always get picked up and often turn out significant later. So I´m looking forward to how Kaylin is going to deal with her egg, at least till it hatches and she can give the baby whatever to Marrin. Wouldn´t the dragons be angry if it turned into a dragon hatchling, born from mortal living humans instead of living stone!
    I am a bit worried about all those swords who saw Kaylin with the runes on her arms and legs mostly exposed, and heard ´her´ roaring at the dragons, and seen her conduct the pavement-disrupting magic urgently to Evanton´s shop. Both Kaylin´s secret and Evanton´s obscurity seem to me to be out, after this adventure. Compared to that, merely mentioning the existence of the Barrani lake of names in front of the elements, two dragons, the keeper and Ybelline (most of whom would have deduced the existence of some such thing anyway) doesn’t seem so bad, as long as the Barrani don’t find out she did it. Telling Severn about the Arkon’s mirror, then taking him there, and using it without the Arkon’s permission seems a lot more risky; even if most magic use in the palace was restricted there’s no saying what burglar-alarms or telltales the Arkon might have had active in or near the heart of his hoard: remember, the Library had much better magical safeguards than the rest of the palace. But I love that she introduced the Keeper and the Arkon, and that those two crusty old men hit it off! AND the crisis brought a rapprochement between the Dragon court and the Barrani court – I do hope The Lady doesn’t stay angry.
    Sorry I’ve talked so long, there’s just so much to explore in these books.
    Thank you for writing them!

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    • Katie
      Sep 11, 2010 @ 18:21:54

      Kaylin doesn’t have the bond with the Lord of the West March that she has with Nightshade. Yes, she has both men’s names, but she was never marked by the LotWM like she was by Nightshade. Not to mention she knows Nightshade better and has much more frequent contact with him than the LotWM.

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  77. simplewhimsy
    Aug 17, 2010 @ 02:49:39

    My goodness, I just finished Cast in Chaos. Michelle Sagara, I love your writing. You cannot know just how much I look forward to new books by you, and begrudge my local bookstore every time they do not carry the latest copy.

    My first thought, because it was near the end, was that there were very nearly too many words at the tail end of the novel. This is a me thing, and I don’t expect everyone feels the same way, but for me in the heat of the action, if things are too wordy I have to slow down my pace of reading because I am pretty much reading too quickly to understand what is going on. And then I start skipping things. This should tell you, in any case, that the story is just that darn compelling. Agh.

    Right now, I think, Nightshade is my favorite character. He is like a hermit shell to me, with a spiral that descends into the heart of the matter. Michelle (and I hate using your first name because I don’t want to seem disrespectful, but by contrast your last name seems to clinical and . . .I dunno, forgive me any presumption. D: ) does well by putting my little grubby reader finger on the start of that spiral, and drawing it slowly but surely into the depths of the shell.

    I don’t feel that for Severn. I like his concept, I like his role as a supporting character, but I don’t *feel* him. I don’t have the emotional attachment for him that I’ve built for Kaylin, and I don’t have the teased anticipation like I have for Nightshade. Nor is there the fondness as for Tiamaris, or the wary affection for Marcus. Or even the playful mischievousness of Teela.

    These are, of course the most basic bits of my attachments to the characters, but that is still more than the distance I feel with Severn. If we’re talking romantic attachments, then yeah, I like Nightshade more than him. But *only* because there’s a dangerous excitement to Nightshade’s interaction with Kaylin, whereas with Severn there’s no excitement at all. . .just a rather staid dependability without life.

    Sweeping all of that off the board, I love this world. I love Cast in Chaos. It was a very busy book to me, but for that there was a depth to the interactions between the characters that turns me into a new Michelle Sagara addict all over again. I love how natural all of it feels, even if I know Michelle has been taking out chunks of it to keep the book more accessible. I’m trying really hard to not fangirl all over the place, but it is rather difficult.

    I’ll be on the side quietly cheering until Ruin comes out. My brain still hasn’t fully absorbed all of the content of the novel, I’m actually in the middle of rereading the series (in Courtlight right now), which probably muddled my brains a bit more (and I’m reading Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson on the side, which really does my head *no* good at all in terms of being to absorb little things). . .so probably I’ll report back here once I’ve read through all the books again.

    <3.

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  78. DG
    Aug 17, 2010 @ 23:31:36

    @hanneke28

    “He’s walking a fine line here, so I don’t get the anti-Severn posting.”

    Well, “simplewhimsy” summed it up quite nicely for me, “If we’re talking romantic attachments, then yeah, I like Nightshade more than him. But *only* because there’s a dangerous excitement to Nightshade’s interaction with Kaylin, whereas with Severn there’s no excitement at all. . .just a rather staid dependability without life.”

    That’s pretty much on the money for me. Severn always seems to just “be there”. Definitely when she needs it! But, there is no “spark” no “life” to the relationship, even after Kaylin has given him her name and is also the “guardian/keeper” of her magical bracelet/shackle(?).

    I’m not anti-Severn overall, I like his character, but I simply don’t agree that he and Kaylin should be romantically involved. If anything, the idea of them together just sounds rather trite and dull. “Oh, I saw that one coming *rolleyes*,” kind of reaction, at least for me.

    On a separate note, I came to same theory about the rape only after reading “Cast in Chaos”. Er,

    **SPOILERS AHEAD**

    When Nightshade gets a little amorous once again and then stops because Kaylin has obviously climbed back into her shell again due to his advances, he immediately gets pissed off and states, “I should have killed Barren.” (or something to that effect (sorry don’t have the book in front of me). At that point it all seemed to come together for me. I think Barren physically/mentally abused Kaylin, whether it was flat out rape I don’t know, but it certainly seems that way. It was clearly traumatic enough to make Kaylin clam up whenever these overtly romantic moments happen, and Nightshade obviously knows (through the bond most likely) that Barren is to blame.

    **END SPOILERS**

    lol, we need an official forum. :)

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  79. natasha
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 05:17:58

    dose anyone know what the light blue and purple eye colors are ?

    i have some guesses but im not sure

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  80. Theresa
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 12:35:05

    DG- There is a a Yahoo Group dedicated to Michelle (which she visits) and where we talk about the books (and random stuff).

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  81. Carol
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 13:07:39

    Reply to Natasha
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 05:17:58

    Does anyone know what the light blue and purple eye colors are ?

    From Carol
    We all thought purple meant lust or love. So somewhere on the blog Michelle Sagara cleared it up.
    Michelle Sagara mentioned Purple was confusion.
    Green is Calm,
    Dark blue aggression, anger.
    Light blue seems to be everything in-between. Alert, tense, annoyed,
    I don’t know what golden eyes are in Barrani but there was a case at the high court were they had golden.

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  82. Sarah Brewer
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 16:04:07

    I absolutely love this series! I started reading Cast in Shadow 3 weeks ago and I am now burning thru Cast in Chaos. How many more books will there be…my online research has come up with anywhere from 5-8 books so I’m really curious! I don’t want it to end but I also can’t wait to find out whats going to happen :) Thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable escape from reality!

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  83. natasha
    Aug 18, 2010 @ 21:04:23

    Theresa

    how do you get to that group?

    and

    thanks Carol
    i thought that purple was lust or love too thanks for making that clear.

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  84. Theresa
    Aug 19, 2010 @ 12:29:58

    Natasha-
    Here is the link:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MichelleWest/

    Tess

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  85. Jennifer
    Aug 19, 2010 @ 18:45:09

    I am a huge fan of the Cast series. I have recently begun to wonder if Nightshade will ever address the fact that Kaylin has a true name. In Cast in Courtlight, Teela realized pretty quickly that she had changed. I think that Nightshade’s reaction/dialogue about it would be interested, especially considering the fact that she has given her name to Severn. Surprisingly, he has never mentioned the name situation to Kaylin. LOL, Severn has shown his jealousy serve times in the books, and I think this would be a great time for Nightshade to express some emotion other than confidence (I mean he did say that unlike the mortal he had forever to wait).
    Am I the only one to think this would be an interesting situation?

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  86. Jahaliel
    Aug 31, 2010 @ 09:59:11

    i bought chaos on monday and have read it 4 times already. there is some spoiler in here. i love it so much and applaud your talent Michelle! Actually after reading this i felt like building you a statue ;) it was so awesome to see the underlying plot (ie Nightshade/Severn) develop a little more. This series rocks :D I loved the idea of the devourer/maker being the missing fifth element, and being the eldest. Also enjoyed the multitude of dragons in true form, and reading more of Tara. Wonder how Kaylin’s etiquette lessons will go considering her ideas of punctuality and Lord Diarmats are probably at opposite poles.

    Love your work always!

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  87. Robin
    Sep 02, 2010 @ 09:50:55

    I am very disappointed. Not with the book, I’m sure I’ll love it (I usually do :)! However, my usual source (Amazon.co.uk) has, frustratingly, not managed to get it in stock yet, and I know it was meant to be listed in August. Is there any news on what the problem is? Is there somewhere else I can order it in the UK?? I really don’t want to wait to visit B-P in Toronto at Christmas in order to get it :(.

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    • Michelle Sagara
      Sep 02, 2010 @ 16:58:53

      I can ask my editor — but the sad truth is I have no idea at all why; I’d usually assume that Amazon.co.uk simply didn’t order copies of the book, but they have almost everything else (although they also don’t have Silence for direct sale).

      Have you emailed Amazon.co.uk itself to ask? I wouldn’t mind knowing what they answer so I can pass it on.

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  88. Robin
    Sep 03, 2010 @ 08:13:43

    Hi Michelle,

    Thanks for the response! This is what Amazon.co.uk had to say (pretty generic):

    Dear Customer

    Thank you for writing to Amazon.co.uk regarding your item “Cast in Chaos (Chronicles of Elantra) [Paperback]“.

    Initially, “Cast in Chaos (Chronicles of Elantra) [Paperback]” was scheduled for release on August ,2010. Unfortunately the release date has now been delayed for UK, and we do not yet have a firm date for availability.

    Also we did not receive any information regarding this item from the suppliers.

    Please note that the release date is subject to change. As soon as we are informed of any changes to this date, we will update the website accordingly.

    Perhaps you could check our website from time to time to see if this item has come back in stock or if it is available from a third-party seller through Amazon.co.uk Marketplace.

    As soon as this item is made available in Amazon.co.uk it will be available in the kindle version also.

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  89. Majere
    Sep 03, 2010 @ 18:50:36

    Robin, try online at Book Depository (bookdepository.co.uk) as thats where I got my copy from and postage is free.

    Loved, loved the book ;). For such a large volume, it was over far to soon – and still another year to wait for the next installment.

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  90. TheF
    Sep 03, 2010 @ 23:01:34

    Definitely try Book depo. They were very fast with their delivery and I couldn’t be happier.

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  91. Robin
    Sep 04, 2010 @ 09:05:34

    Cool! Thanks, they do have it!

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  92. DC
    Sep 10, 2010 @ 05:12:29

    I really like the way Severn accepts Kaylin for exactly who she is, but I think we need to start seeing more into his emotions and heart in order to root for him as a character. He has such a calm affect and, right now at least, exists mainly through his interactions with Kaylin. We’re starting to get hints about his feelings and motivations, and I think Nightshade is really incapable of the kind of emotion Kaylin ultimately needs (if she’d died during any of a dozen little tests he’d have shrugged and considered it regrettable more than anything. He is attracted at LEAST as much by her power as by her person.

    I’m glad to see some discussion about the desire/Barren/rape question, because I kept going back to that section and actually came online tonight to see if anyone else got the same message from that section. Kaylin is rather old to be so completely devoid of sexual awareness. I mean, she didn’t even get why Severn didn’t want to climb into her bed — is she completely oblivious to his love being the romantic ‘forever’ kind?

    Hopefully that realization won’t drive her into Nightshade’s arms — too cliche. :) Let him win her properly, if at all.

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  93. CW
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 03:25:16

    Sorry, I’m rooting for Nightshade. He is a man that needs shaking up and she’s just the person for the job. I just don’t like Severn, he seems to be a “first” love or childhood crush rather than a passion for the ages. Nightshade is much more complex and we see just a sliver of what he feels in the newest book *i’m reading now*. Severn loves her as she is sure but in many ways he loves a child which lends me to wonder how he is going to deal with her when she matures, but there is something about a man waiting for you a 1000ish years that should be worth a few brownie points.

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  94. DC
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 16:57:41

    I think my hesitation about Nightshade is, I don’t think he “waited” for Kaylin in any kind of romantic sense. He was curious about how he would end up giving his mark to this person from the future and, in great part, it was a way to alleviate the boredom of immortality. Does he care for her in some way? Yes — but I don’t think he lets that get in the way of his other plans.

    Right now, though, we see everyone through Kaylin’s perceptions, so any real information about which (either/neither/both) would be ‘good’ for her, might require her to open her eyes a bit more to both men as, well, MEN.
    She appears to be oblivious to the idea of Severn having anything but platonic love for her, so might react very badly to that safety being shattered by lust or romance. Nightshade, IMO, still thinks as much about her power as her person, so the idea of her falling into a sexual relationship with him and his having that added influence over her concerns me at this point.

    Of course, Kaylin isn’t moving very quickly into any kind of sexual awareness. :)

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  95. Katie
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 17:54:35

    Really interesting points about both Nightshade and Severn! Personally, I’ve always seen Severn as the predestined protector and rather more like family than anything else. Honestly, Kaylin/Severn remind me more of, oh, River and Simon from “Firefly” or Benson and Stabler from “Law & Order: SVU”. Completely and totally bonded for life, but not romantically. (Which is incredibly hard to pull off in storytelling today, so kudos if that was the intention!)

    I’m going back and re-reading the series from the start again (just finished Shadow), and Nightshade tells her flat out the first time she comes to the Castle that he can’t control her or her power, despite having marked her as his own. Actually, the fact that she has his Name and not vice versa should give her more potential sway over him than the reverse. She is also very physically aware of Nightshade from the moment they meet. Not sexually or even consciously – hands linger, leaning her face into his palm for comfort, burying/resting her face in/on his chest as he carries her, knowing where he is in the room without opening her eyes. Innocent physical connections and awareness that she is never described as having with anyone else. Also, if a good relationship must involve equals, then Kaylin/Nightshade are more equal than Kaylin/Severn. Kaylin and Nightshade can stand up against each other when they raise each other’s hackles – Kaylin could easily kill Severn if for some reason he actually stood against her (which he never would). And there are strong implications that Kaylin is no longer mortal because of the marks. (My opinion, anyway, obviously Ms. Sagara’s is the one that counts ;-) )

    I think the most telling scene is in Shadow, the second time Kaylin goes to the Seal of the Old Ones inside the Castle. It takes both Severn and Nightshade combined to hold her to herself while she is being “rewritten” – her emotions and her power, her training and her wildness, her past and her future.

    Off to re-read Courtlight now!

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  96. CW
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 18:28:21

    Nightshade hasn’t ‘waited’ on her in “that” sense. Even he mentions regrets for somethings in his past. But he’s never put any effort into making something permanent with anyone else that we have even a hint of and he says that she intrigued him from the first. He waited on her in ways that mattered power or not. To me, Severn is more like a brother to her and ewww! He probably doesn’t feel that way, but it looks that way so much in their every day interactions. He probably does have intense feelings for her as have been hinted – they just don’t play out as strongly as what goes on between Kaylin and Nightshade. She’s even felt that desire although she wasn’t sure if it was hers or his.

    She still has a lot of growing to do and I expect that she will eventually outstrip Nightshade also. I also wondered if she were still ‘mortal’ with all that she’s been through.

    I suspect that Ms. Sagara might be waiting to see what happens also. Sometimes the ‘best laid plans of Mice and Men’ get hijacked by the characters themselves.

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  97. Katie
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 19:26:37

    Another thought and then I promise I’ll stop posting and go back to reading. I wonder if “Erenne” ultimately translates to “equal partner”. Typical Barrani pride would make that a really bad thing for them – they all think they’re superior to all the others and would probably never willingly consent or admit to being another’s equal or to saying that someone else is their equal, despite reality. The only one who they might want to be so marked by in that case would be the High Lord himself, and it would probably not be wise for him to mark anyone else in that fashion if he likes his job/life. Teela says that it’s the mark of a consort, but neither of the Consorts we’ve met have been similarly marked despite being in good relationships with their High Lords. Tain adds that it isn’t just ownership, or just a binding mark and it definitely isn’t an enslavement.

    I think that Nightshade’s mark not only tells the world “she and I are bound” but “she and I are EQUALLY bound” – that she is his equal and he is not only a powerful Barrani, but a powerful *outcaste* Barrani and a fieflord, not beholden to the laws of either the Barrani or Dragon Courts, making Kaylin a definite potential threat, as she is (currently) free to interact with both. It would also explain why mortals “rarely survive” such markings.

    I do hope we find out soon why Nightshade is outcaste. He seems to be a special case, and still respected by the likes of the High Lord, Evarrim and the LotWM. It makes me think that his exile is either self-imposed or one of those “no one wants this but it is necessary by our laws” situations.

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  98. CW
    Sep 11, 2010 @ 21:31:49

    I think he married her without her consent and that if you could see that perhaps the other consorts are marked, but in more private places. He obviously couldn’t do that to her at the time, plus he did want others to know that she was his. Just my thoughts obviously. lol

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  99. Hilda
    Oct 06, 2010 @ 02:00:47

    I practically read all the prior comments and hope you allow me to go back to some of them. I discovered this group weeks ago, and could not find you again until now.
    I have read nothing but Elantra since last October, again and again. I found interesting the rape theory because I did not think about it when I first read Chaos, so I went through the books again. Michelle will clarify that eventually, but for now, I believe it’s a possibility but I don’t think there was a rape. I think Moonlight supports my preference because it clarified Kaylin’s early years and power. I can’t believe that, with her powers, Kaylin would have allowed anyone to rape her when she can kill people just by touching them. She would have burned alive or killed anyone who dared. Remember how many men she was able to kill for Barren; and a few weeks or months after leaving Barren, as a Hawk, she burned those guys in Moonlight. Yes, she wanted to please Barren, but would not have gone as far as allowing him or his men to forcibly rape her. I think he either tried to rape her himself or put his men to do it. Kaylin could have killed any one of them. If she did, then I can see Barren trying to kill her by sending her to kill the Hawklord. If he was having sex with her without problem, why would he send her to “certain death”? Why getting rid of someone with her powers, a Chosen he could control? He had been an Arcanist, he must have known very well who she was, what she was capable of unless he became afraid of her. He would have kept her forever for his own benefit in maintaining the fief.
    About Kaylin’s mark, in one of the earlier books, someone commented that any Barrani woman that allowed herself to be so marked, would be dead. Also, Kaylin asked Nightshade and he admitted that it was not ownership and “it didn’t mean what people thought it means”; he said he had hopes. Kaylin may accept to be Nightshade’s “consort” as she always change Erenne to it when people called her that, but she will never be Erenne.
    Like some of you, I wonder why Nightshade is outcaste, but I think sometime in the past he was the Lord of the West March. He spent years there, like Andellen, brought 3 Lords with him to the Castle, heard the story Regalia there; he most likely was the brother of the previous High Lord and previous Consort (they kept mentioning the lost brother), and uncle of the present High Lord and the current Lord of the West March. That’s why the current Lord of the West March wanted Kaylin to tell Nightshade that he called her Kyuthe, which left Nightshade silent for a long while. Also, the Lord of the West March told Kaylin that he could call Nightshade by his name and Andellen could understand why. I think he feels friendly towards Nightshade. Do you remember the pictures Nightshade has in a special room in his Castle? I thought they were of his sister, the previous Consort.
    Now, I’m trying to guess how Nightshade may be able to save the Barrani when they are in danger, which will take away from him the title of outcaste.
    I keep guessing and guessing at everything; that is, I think, the greatness of Michelle’s writing. Her books remain in our minds, and we can read them again and again.

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  100. Amber
    Dec 17, 2010 @ 17:00:49

    When will her Love Interest come to be? Will her and Severn ever get together! I love this series !!!

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  101. Amber
    Dec 20, 2010 @ 15:58:37

    Will we see any forward movement in Kaylin’s Love life in the next Book, Cast in Danger? Have you received word of the Release date as of yet?

    Anxiously awaiting
    Amber

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  102. kathy
    Feb 08, 2011 @ 15:03:28

    hello,
    Comme vous toutes, j’adore cette série littéraire et attends avec grande impatience chaque nouvelle sortie. je n’ai malheureusement pas suffisamment de connaissance en anglais pour en comprendre toutes les subtilités. toutefois, je pense effectivement qu’il pourrait s’être passé quelque chose avec le seigneur Barren, raison pour laquelle elle aurait été exilée vers une mort certaine sans que Barren passa lui même à l’acte. je crois comprendre dans “cast in chaos” qu’il la craint.
    En ce qui concerne la relation N et S / K, il n’y a pas photo. Tous les deux semblent amoureux à leur manière , passionnée et sauvage pour N, contemplatif pour S… et ils sont tous les deux jaloux de l’autre ( N lui même dit qu’il se serait débarrassé plutôt de S s’il avait compris l’importance de la relation K/S plus tôt.
    Du côté de K, elle ressent l’ amitié fraternelle de S . or celui ci privilégiera toutjours la santé de K au depend de la vie d’autrui . ce qui le differencie de K . car elle, elle n’hesite jamais à jouer sa propre vie, à laquelle elle accorde finalement peu de valeur, privilegiant toujours autrui.
    selon N, elle est déjà ou devient une deesse de vie et de mort: elle ne peut donc pas jouer sur le même terrain que S. c’est d’ailleurs toujours N qui vient à son secours (dans le grand palais, l’esprit du seigneur des marches de l’ouest, puis dans le monde parallèle).
    cordialement,
    kathy

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  103. kathy
    Feb 08, 2011 @ 15:33:40

    hello,
    un petit commentaire supplémentaire.
    je pense qu’à terme, Kaylin devra combattre et défaire le dragon paria et les forces obscures pour sauver la cité, les palais et divers chateaux. …
    Elle aura besoin pour ce faire, de contrôler complètement tous les éléments réunifiés. … et d’unir les forces en presence comme jusqu’à présent elle a commencé à le faire.
    par ailleurs, elle est la seule à pouvoir rendre immortel des enfants issus d’une race qui ne l’est pas… n’est ce pas ce qu’elle a fait avec l’enfant leontine? et ce qu’elle va peut être faire avec l’oeuf …de dragon ( j’espère)?
    cordialement,
    kathy

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  104. Beanz
    Oct 26, 2011 @ 11:04:07

    (Post is slightly spoilery for Cast in Ruin)

    Okay, my French is not that great but like Kathy (I think) I am wondering about the role the egg Kaylin is taking care of might be playing. Maybe it is a dragon egg come to life through spontaneous events), maybe the universe thought it was time? That would take the pressure off a certain golden dragon:-)

    Anyway, I can’t wait to see what will happen in the West March. Personally I do not think Nightshade ever was the Lord of the West March. I’m speculating that the reason he was outcast had something to do with his foreknowledge of Dragon rule by meeting Kaylin, Severn and Tiamaris.

    As to the love interest predicament for Kaylin I am glad it seems to take a rather (unusually) long time for her to develop a sense of sexual maturity. If she gave in to Nightshade and Severn would hang on being the ever present shoulder that would make him a bit pathetic (and rather unattractive) and if he changed and showed jealousy or whatnot, how uncomfortable to read would that be. And really, even though Nightshade is intriguing, he isn’t really relationship material now is he? The way the story goes at present all is well because we are not really going there. I know eventually the topic has to be breeched but I can’t help feeling the conclusion would feel, I don’t know, unsatisfying somehow.
    Not but I believe at the same time that Ms. Sagara will find the perfect solution to the dilemma and prove me wrong:-D And of course Kaylin has to grow up sometime.

    Like Jennifer Brinn (a couple of posts earlier) has mentioned, I too really appreciate Kaylin’s motives for what she does. She certainly doesn’t have a hero complex but insists on compassion for the individuals around her, despite all the unreflected (and overcome) prejudices she carries. “The big picture” does count with her but she does see beyond that as well.

    I wonder how living with a dragon will impact on her life, especially as said dragon though having some insecurities of her own, is much more predisposed to feel entitled than Kaylin ever does.

    Anyway, I love the series, love where it is going, love Kaylin’s development and hope it will go on and on. If you ever run out of titles fitting in, Ms. Sagara, I’m sure you have here plenty of readers with suggestions. Especially if that means you will continue to write the story.

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  105. Cat
    Jun 20, 2012 @ 10:27:50

    @hanneke28
    I just wanted to say that I’m with you about the Severn/Nightshade situation. Nightshade is a Barrani lord, albeit an Outcaste; because of that, it makes me hesitant to trust his motives for wanting Kaylin. Severn seems much less demanding and much more attuned to Kaylin’s feelings and thoughts, even without holding her name. Severn wants her because he genuinely cares about her, and he’s cared since they were children living in the fief. He has always been careful in his relationship with Kaylin, being very sensitive to what she could handle, while Nightshade has been…less so. While I enjoy the interaction Kaylin and Nightshade have, if I were forced to choose I would pick Severn for her, no doubt about it.

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